Update 1/18/2013: Updating this post based on a fresh install of Sonar v3.4.1.
Sonar Overview:
So why did I even do this? Once up and running, Sonar provides some useful metrics for pointing out hotspots in your code that may be making it more difficult to maintain and extend your functionality. Through the web interface, you can drill-down on any of the metrics to the module, class, and method level, including full source code. Some of the metrics provided for each C# project include (screenshots are from the "nemo" demo site mentioned below, my own project, or other sources):
- General analysis
- Cyclomatic Complexity
- By method, class, file
- Comments:
- Percentage of code commented
- Percentage of public APIs that are (un)documented
- Duplication:
- Percentage of code that is duplicated
- Counts by duplicated lines of code, blocks, files
- Unit tests:
- Counts:
- Lines of code
- Count of files
- Count of classes
- Count of methods
In addition, it will track changes over time, so you can see where issues are increasing/decreasing in your code.
Sonar is open sourced under the LGPL and free to use, however some of the plugins used to perform the analysis are only commercially available, and in some cases come with steep licensing fees. For this blog, I focus on only freely available (ie: no fees) aspects of the product. Each of the tools I used are also freely available (FxCop, StyleCop, Gendarme, Gallio, OpenCover, MySQL -- all have licenses that allow no-fee usage for most people).
There is a demo site provided by one of the commercial plugin providers to demo the system (including their not-free SQALE plugin) which shows analysis for several open-source Java projects and can give you a feel for the UI and the data that can be provided. Beware -- this includes data from some of the commercial plugins, so don't expect to see everything on that site after following this posting.
General Sonar Technical Architecture:
Generally, the Sonar runner consumes the source code and analyzes it via plugins. This information is published to the sonar database directly.
The Sonar (web) server pulls the results from the database and provides a UI for reviewing them.
Step 1: Prerequisites and Assumptions:
This posting assumes you have a working Debug build of your codebase that compiles with no errors and generates .pdb files. You need access to the source code and the output, as they exists at the completion of your build. In my case, I have a CI server (TeamCity for my playground site -- free for small/mid-scale configurations, and Jenkins for our production BI build servers) running and just added another build step at the end to kick-off the Sonar analysis from the command line.
You'll need to install the .Net Reference Assemblies, which are part of the Win7 SDK for versions of .Net 1.0 through 4.0 and the Win8 SDK for .Net version 4.5. Note that the FxCop installer is included (exclusively) with the Win SDK. Also note that a full Win7 SDK install is several Gigs in size and will take some time to download, so plan accordingly. You only need to install the Reference Assemblies (under the .NET Development header in the installer) which ends up being about 151MB to download and 505MB to install if you use the web-based installer I linked to above.
If you have any Silverlight components in your build, you will need to install the Silverlight SDK for the version of Silverlight you are targeting.
Install the Java JDK. Yes, the *JDK*. It's big and ugly, I know. You're a .Net dev, I know. Do it anyway. Set the JAVA_HOME environment variable to point to the JDK root folder. This should be the “jre” folder – for example, on my machine the value is set like this: “JAVA_HOME=C:\Program Files\Java\jre7” Note: You don’t need to install the Source Code component from the installer, which will save you about 500MB of disk space.
If you’re using Gallio for running your unit tests, you’ll also need to make sure .Net 2.0 is installed. For newer versions of Windows (Win8 and Win Server 2012), this requires going into “Turn on Windows Features” settings and adding the “.NET Framework 3.5 Features” feature (note: in WinServer 2012, this is part of the Application Server role).
Step 2: The Sonar Server
Download the Sonar server. At the time of this (revised) posting, it was version 3.4.1.
This will give you a .zip file. Decompress it into the location you want; I used C:/sonar-server
You can also reference the official installation notes.
For the initial configuration/setup, I'd suggest running it at the command line until you know you have it fully configured. To do that, open a command window and run bin\windows-x86-64\StartSonar.bat (or -x86-32 for 32-bit machines) This will run in your current window (no real output, but the command blocks) until you hit Cntl-Z or Cntl-Break. You'll see it pulling down additional packages as needed, such as JRuby, but eventually you'll see something like this, which means it's working:
jvm 1 | 2012-04-27 08:45:44.254:INFO::Started SelectChannelConnector@0.0.0.0:9000
Once you get things working, I'd suggest installing it as a Windows service. To do this, first register Sonar as a service using the provided script: bin\windows-x86-64\InstallNTService.bat (There's an UnInstallNTService.bat script too). Then, start the service from the Windows Services control panel, or using the provided "StartNTService.bat" script. Personally, I would suggest just configuring it to be Automatic so it will survive reboots, etc.
With my Sonar v3.0 install, running the service failed initially, so I used the logs/sonar.log file to troubleshoot and found this error:
Encountered an error running main: java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unable to create file in temporary directory, please check existence of it and permissions: C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Temp\
I just took the lazy route and configured the service to run under my user account instead of a system account, so didn't really "fix" that issue. Update: In a later install, I had to create the “Temp” folder in the systemprofile\AppData\Local folder and provide security rights to the LOCAL SYSTEM user.
The server has a sonar.properties config file that drives some of it's functionality, including which database to use. You can find it in the \conf folder. The only change I made to this file was the port used for web connections (default is 9000 – I changed to 80), and the database (see Step 3) -- but if you want to use the built-in Derby database, no changes are needed.
Step 2a: Verify and Change Password
At this point, you should be able to access the sonar server at http://localhost:9000 (or whatever port you set in the sonar.properties file). The default username/password is admin/admin. I would highly recommend changing the admin password at this time. Passwords are changed via the user profile page.
Step 3: The Database
Sonar server comes with a build-in Derby database. While it is quick to install and easy (and pre-configured), I would suggest moving away from it almost immediately. I had MAJOR performance problems using it. For instance, for my solution of about 400K lines of code (50+ Visual Studio projects), when using the Derby database, it took about 2 hours to perform the analysis, 5 hours if the runner was on a different host. During that time, the server CPU would be pegged at 100% for 5 - 15 minutes per project as the runner reported it's results. Once I moved to a MySQL database, it takes about 20 minutes total.
So, I would suggest downloading and installing the free MySQL Community Edition from Oracle. At the time of this (revised) writing, it was at version 5.5.
Once installed, you'll need to create the sonar database instance. This is pretty straightforward, but Sonar provides a script to make it even that much easier. From the sonar installation folder, the script is in extras/database/mysql/create_database.sql. The command to execute the query is at the top of the file. This will generate the sonar database instance, as well as grant access from localhost and remotely. The sonar schema is created the first time you run the server.
You'll need to configure the Sonar server to use this db. This is as easy as changing a couple of lines in the sonar.properties config file. Chances are, the lines you want are already in the file (commented out), as samples are there for MySQL, PostgreSQL, Oracle and MS SqlServer. (Note: MS SqlServer is not officially supported, although people on the web have posted ways to get it working. I did not venture down this path).
Update: While getting Sonar up and running in our production environment, the person doing the work was able to get up and running with MS SqlServer and provided me with this feedback. Note, he was using v.2.13.1, which is newer than what I was using:
I followed the link you had on your page (http://www.sezok.de/sonar/sonar.html) but differed in the following ways:
- The database must be setup with Case Sensitive and Accent Sensitive rules, so I created the database with collate option SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CS_AS
- The jdbc drivers that come bundled with 2.13.1 actually work, and the ones listed in the above link don’t.
For me, I commented out the Derby/H2 lines and used these for my MySQL instance:
#----- MySQL 5.x/6.x
# Comment the embedded database and uncomment the following properties to use MySQL.
# The validation query is optional.
sonar.jdbc.url: jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/sonar?useUnicode=true&characterEncoding=utf8&rewriteBatchedStatements=true
# Optional properties
#sonar.jdbc.driverClassName: com.mysql.jdbc.Driver
#sonar.jdbc.validationQuery: select 1
Restart the sonar server, if it's running.
I should note that there isn't a quick-and-easy way to migrate from the Derby db to another, so expect any data collected in Derby will be lost when you move. I found this page where someone found a way, if you really must try.
Note: at one point, I was getting a com.mysql.jdbc.PacketTooBigException error, so I followed the suggestions here and ran the sql command: SET GLOBAL max_allowed_packet = 1024*1024*14;
Step 3a: Verify and Change password, again
At this point, the sonar server should be up and running again, albeit with no data. I would suggest verifying you can reach the server at http://localhost:9000 (or whatever port you used in the sonar.properties file). The user accounts will have reset with the database change, so again I would highly recommend changing the admin password at this time!
Step 4: The Runner
Sonar was build for Java, so the docs almost all assume you're using Maven. You may be able to get this working with nAnt, but there's an easier route. A small, java-based runner has been created that can be kicked-off from the command line. This is what I used from within my TeamCity and Jenkins builds. There’s also a Jenkins plugin that looks promising, but I haven’t used it.
To use this runner, you will need to do a few things:
1) Download the runner. At this (revised) writing, the version was 2.0. This will come as a Zip file. Decompress it in an appropriate location. For me, I put it in C:/sonar-runner/
2) Test that it works. Open a command line to the sonar-runner/bin folder and run sonar-runner -h. This will either show you the usage statement (if things are working fine), or blow up. If it blows up, check you're JAVA_HOME is set correctly to point at the jre folder.
3) Once it works, set another environment var: SONAR_RUNNER_HOME to the root installation folder for sonar-runner. (for example: C:/sonar-runner/) This is used when you want to run the sonar runner from a folder other than the /bin folder. (ie: when you run sonar-runner from your source folder).
4) Change the conf/sonar-runner.properties file. This has general configuration items used by the runner, some of which can be overridden in the project's config file (we'll get to that later). At a minimum, you'll need to set the sonar.host.url to point to where you have your sonar server running, and the database config. For the db, just copy/paste the lines from the sonar.properties file you created in Step 2. Again, example values are provided in the file (commented out) which will likely work just fine. Don't forget to comment out the Derby lines if they exist.
Step 5: The C# Plugins
You'll need to install the "C# Plugins Ecosystem" (ie: The plugins to analyze C# code). This will be a zip file with each of the C# plugins .jar files. Decompress them and place them into the /extensions/plugins folder of your Sonar server installation folder. You can enable/disable each one individually, so no harm in putting them all in there at once. You may need to restart the Sonar service after you place the files for them to be available.
The plugins consist of the following:
- C# Core (support for the C# language - general API used by other plugins -- required)
- C# Squid (support for parsing C# language -- required)
- FxCop support (general analysis)
- StyleCop support (formatting analysis)
- Gendarme support (general analysis)
- Gallio support (unit testing / coverage)
- NDeps (assembly dependency parsing) (new in v1.3)
If you're going to use FxCop, you'll need to install FxCop 10 (the FxCop installer is installed as part of the Win7 SDK install).
If you're going to use StyleCop, you can either use a bundled version included with Sonar, or install your own.
If you're going to use Gendarme, you can either use a bundled version or install your own.
If you're going to use Gallio, you'll need to install it as well as OpenCover (or you can use NCover, if you have a license). When installing OpenCover, I suggest using the Advanced mode and setting it to install for all users. Also note: Gallio does not support NUnit v2.5.4 or higher, so you’ll either need to update the Gallio plugin or jump to NUnit 2.6 (or other supported version).
Step 6: The sonar-project.properties File
Each Solution will need to have it's own sonar-project.properties file. This file will need to exist in the folder from which you execute the sonar-runner. To make this easy, I would suggest putting the file in the same folder as your .sln file.
The file will have a few sections, which I will describe here. Note that some of these, I believe, can be put in the sonar-runner.properties file if you have the same settings for each project.
Important Note: Any folder names in the config file will need to either escape the backslash with another backslash (\\) or use a forward slash (/). I've chosen the latter.
Project Identification:
This section will provide the project key used by the Sonar server to group analysis results over time, as well as provide a useful name in the UI, etc. This should be unique across projects. The project version can be used to track different branches, etc.
# Project identificationThen, describe the source code layout. The "sources" field points to the top-level folder where the source code exists. If you're .sln and .csproj files have relative paths internally, then this should be the top-level folder. Assuming you don't have any strange layouts, this will likely be the same folder as your .sln file (which is likely where your .properties file exists), so can just be ".". Additionally, you need to denote that the language is C# using the "cs" value.
sonar.projectKey=Jwright:DemoApp
sonar.projectVersion=trunk
sonar.projectName=DemoApplication
# Info required for Sonar
sonar.sources=.
sonar.language=cs
C#-specific settings:
Here, you'll need to provide information about where the .sln file is located and where key libraries are located, and which version of .Net you're using.
#Core C# SettingsPlug-in Specific Sections:
sonar.dotnet.visualstudio.solution.file=DemoApp.sln
sonar.silverlight.4.mscorlib.location=
C:/Program Files (x86)/Reference Assemblies/Microsoft/Framework/Silverlight/v4.0
sonar.dotnet.excludeGeneratedCode=true
sonar.dotnet.4.0.sdk.directory=C:/WIndows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319
sonar.dotnet.version=4.0
For each plugin, there is a "mode" setting. If blank, then the plugin will run. If you want to skip/not run a plugin, set the mode to "skip".
For Gallio, you can stipulate if you want to use OpenCover (free) or NCover (not free). You can also stipulate the runner mode. I had trouble using anything other than "Local". You will also need to stipulate the naming pattern (regular expressions, I believe) for the Visual Studio projects that include unit tests. You can have multiple patterns, seperated by semicolons.
Update: Note that there was a bug/typo in the Gallio plugin in older versions where the key for the Test Project Pattern does not have a "t" in "sonar.donet.visualstudio.testProjectPattern". This has since been fixed, although they continue to support the old name for backward compatibility.
#Gendarme
sonar.gendarme.mode=
# Gallio / Unit Tests
sonar.gallio.mode=
sonar.gallio.coverage.tool=OpenCover
sonar.gallio.runner=Local
sonar.dotnet.visualstudio.testProjectPattern=*UnitTest*;Testing*
sonar.opencover.installDirectory=C:/Program Files (x86)/OpenCover/
# FXCop
sonar.fxcop.mode=skip
#StyleCop
sonar.stylecop.mode=
#NDeps
sonar.ndeps.mode=
Step 7: Running an Analysis
From the folder with the sonar-project.properties file, run the command
$SONAR_RUNNER_HOME/bin/sonar-runner
You'll see the runner start up, listing some details like the working folder, etc, then it will kick off the source code parsing, then the plugins (such as running the unit tests). If there are any errors, a Java exception will be thrown. Sometimes these contain enough details to troubleshoot, sometimes not, so you may need to run with the -X command line argument to get additional details when errors occur.
After a successful run of the analysis, you can see the results in the sonar server webpage. Unless you have changed the port in the sonar.properties file, this will be at http://localhost:9000/
The homepage will have a link for each project (the value provided as sonar.projectName), which will take you to the project overview. Clicking on any of the links on the overview page will take you to the drill-down data for that metric.
References:
I used this page to start my journey, in addition to the Sonar project docs: http://www.ifunky.net/Blog/post/Install-and-Configure-Sonar-on-Windows-2008.aspx
The C# Plugins page: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/SONAR/C-Sharp+Plugins+Ecosystem
The Sonar installation page: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/SONAR/Install+Sonar
Update:
The Sonar Source page, complete with mailing lists, issue trackers, etc. http://www.sonarsource.org/support/support
Hope this helps!





33 comments:
Great article, thanks A LOT for sharing this.
Hello
Thanks a lot for this article. I am one of the main contributors of the C# plugins. I have never noticed the typo on the test pattern config key... This will be fixed with the next release of the C# plugins.
Since these plugins are open source, there is just one thing missing from your very good article : the users mailing list (*). This is a good place to go to find help and give feedback. If you have any idea or suggestion worth sharing
to not hesitate to drop a mail.
Regards
Alex
* http://www.sonarsource.org/support/support
Thanks "Unknown". I've added the link in the references section.
Thanks for this post John, it gives a good introduction to Sonar.Net
At this time (March 2012) I recommend others follow these instructions to install it: https://docs.codehaus.org/display/SONAR/Install+Sonar
I struggled with your instructions, but being fair Sonar.Net underwent a complete re-write. Initially others should should aim to use all Sonar.Net defaults and run via the Java Runner. There are still gotchas but I had it running within a couple of hours
Hi,
Thanks for the information - its really straight forward and helpful!
Just one quick question:
You said you use TeamCity and I'm just wondering if/how you integrated Sonar with TeamCity?
Thanks
I just added a build step to write out the sonar-project.properties file (alternatively, this could be stored in source control) then kick-off the sonar-runner from the build directory.
I've changed employers since writting this blogpost, and no longer have access to the environment I used. However, I'm planning to bring up an instance at my new employer soon, and will update this post based on improvements/changes in the newer Sonar server and C# plugins.
Did you ever compare the output of fxCop through SONAR with direct output of fxCop 10.0 run though the Violations plugin?
I've got them both, and they don't agree. :(
Jeff: No, I haven't. For the primary project on which I was using Sonar, we had a set of FxCop rules that were run during our CI builds and the build would fail if the rules were violated. In that case, we had turned off several non-critical violations, or violations where we had long-running tech debt paydown efforts to resolve the violations. In that case, we wanted Sonar to report the "true" violations, not just the hand-picked ones we used to fail the builds, so there was an expectation of having different results.
Have you brought this up on the Sonar support forums? Any responses?
I'm not point on this. I heard that the point person is talking to "SONAR people". I need to ping him. I'll keep you posted if I learn anything.
Thanks John M. Wright for sharing your knowledge.
Does this steps applicable for php? Do we need only to change the plug-in for PHP?
The general concepts will apply to PHP, but the tools involved and the configuration options used will all be different. I suggest taking a look at the PHP plugin page for instuctions: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/SONAR/PHP+Plugin
Hi,
While running the soner-runner I am getting the following exception:
Exception in thread "main" org.sonar.batch.bootstrapper.BootstrapException: org.
sonar.api.utils.SonarException: You must intall a Sonar plugin that supports lan
guage 'cs' in order to analyse the following project: Jwright:MathBL
Can you please help.
Thanks
"Unknown",
Take a look at Step 5: You'll need to install the "C# Plugins Ecosystem" files on your Sonar server.
They can be found here:
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/SONAR/C-Sharp+Plugins+Ecosystem
Hi,
I did that already and here is how it is on machine having sonar server:
C:\sonar\sonar-3.0.1\extensions\plugins
--> sonar-csharp-core-plugin-1.3
--> sonar-csharp-fxcop-plugin-1.3
--> sonar-csharp-gallio-plugin-1.3
--> sonar-csharp-gendarme-plugin-1.3
--> sonar-csharp-ndeps-plugin-1.3
--> sonar-csharp-squid-plugin-1.1.1
--> sonar-csharp-stylecop-plugin-1.3
I unzipped all these folders from CSharpPluginEcoSystem zip file. I am still getting the same error:
Exception in thread "main" org.sonar.batch.bootstrapper.BootstrapException: org.
sonar.api.utils.SonarException: You must intall a Sonar plugin that supports lan
guage 'cs' in order to analyse the following project: Jwright:MathBL
Can you please check.
Thanks
Hi I am getting the following exception:
Caused by: org.sonar.api.utils.SonarException: The solution and one of its proje
cts have the same key ('Jwright2:MathBL'). Please set a unique 'sonar.projectKey
' for the solution.
Here are my sonar-project.properties settings:
# Project identification
sonar.projectKey=Jwright2:MathBL
sonar.projectVersion=trunk
sonar.projectName=MathBLApplication
Can you please help on this.
Thanks
I'd suggest checking the file permissions on the plugin files to ensure they can be read by the user the sonar server is running under. Also, try restarting the server. If those don't work, you should post the details on the sonar support group here: http://www.sonarsource.org/support/support
For the error about needing a unique projectKey, each Visual Studio solution you analyze will need to have it's own value for the projectKey. This exception implies you have previously imported a different solution with that key, possible while you were trying to get things up and runnng. For now, I'd suggest changing the value to something else. If you really need that key, you can try clearing the old data out of the database, but I'd stay away from that unless you really need to reuse the key.
Thanks a million! Helped me loads :)
Hi
Can you please guide me on how to setup sonar web interface to be remotely accessible?
Thanks
what web server does sonar uses?
For the last two posters:
The first step to being able to access the Sonar website from another machine is to configure the server host info in the sonar server config/sonar.properties file using the sonar.web.host property. You should set this to a hostname (or IP address) that is accessible from whatever network you're wanting to use. If you're sonar analysis is occurring on a different machine, you'll also need to modify the runner config file to have the server's hostname, as I described in the blog posting above.
Take a look here for more info: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/SONAR/Installing+Sonar#InstallingSonar-StartingSonarServer
You'll likely also need to allow inbound TCP traffic through the firewall for whichever port on which sonar is running. (default is port 9000)
For poster #2, sonar uses the Tomcat server, which comes bundled with sonar.
Hi John
thanks for your tip, i specified the web.host in config file and I have created inbound rule for port 9000 on win 2k8 server in my firewall, but still i cannot access the sonar website. I even disabled my firewall and still it wont work. I checked my port using canyouseeme.org and it says connection timed out. There are no other firewalls installed. Any tips on how can i resolve this. It looks like i am unable to open additional port on my win2k8 server.
regards
Try changing to port 80 (assuming you don't already have a webserver running there). Also, make sure you can reach the site from a web browser on the server itself using the actual hostname (not "localhost") to verify the server is running correctly. If you can reach it on the server, but not from another machine, it's likely a firewall issue or a routing issue. Try accessing from a machine on the same network as your server as well.
Nice post. I also created a post to Install and configure Sonar on Windows 7 for .NET projects. Here is the link: http://sharedtolearn.blogspot.ca/2012/10/install-and-configure-sonar-on-windows.html
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Hi John--
One minor point of information. Gallio actually ships with the open-source version of NCover, 1.5.8, so it's possible to use NCover in Sonar without purchasing a commercial license.
That said, there appear to be some errors in the command line arguments Sonar generates for Gallio's NCover runner, so I have, for the time being at least, opted to use OpenCover. OpenCover worked instantly without any configuration changes.
Kip
I've updated the posting to match the current version of Sonar v3.4.1, which I just installed at work.
Hi John, excellent post!
I'm having an issue here, and so far I was unable to find the answers on the internet.
I have my jenkins environment set with a main server and two slaves. Sonar is also installed on the main jenkins server, but runner is not working on slaves. After everything was setup, the following error is being shown:
Exception in thread "main" org.sonar.runner.RunnerException: org.sonar.api.utils
.SonarException: You must install a plugin that supports the language 'c#'
at org.sonar.runner.Runner.delegateExecution(Runner.java:288)
at org.sonar.runner.Runner.execute(Runner.java:151)
at org.sonar.runner.Main.execute(Main.java:84)
at org.sonar.runner.Main.main(Main.java:56)
I tried copying the extensions/plugins folder to the runner installation path, but the issue persists.
Any help will be very appreciated!
Nevermind, I have just figured that out! (language was wrong, it had to be cs, not c#).
Fabricio -- glad you found it! :-)
Big fat thumbs up for coming back and updating your post for 2013. The mark of a true hero.
Hey John,
i've been following your post successfully until the last step when running sonar_runner with FX Cop 10.
First i got warnings :
15:11:07.862 WARN nownCharacterChannel - Unknown char: "+" (file:/E:/Sonar/Sona
r_Project_Test/Sonar_Project_Test/Form1.cs:1:2)
15:11:07.862 WARN nownCharacterChannel - Unknown char: "+" (file:/E:/Sonar/Sona
r_Project_Test/Sonar_Project_Test/Form1.cs:1:3)
15:11:07.893 ERROR c.s.s.s.AstScanner - Source Snippet:
---------------
--> ´++using System;
2 using System.Collections.Generic;
3 using System.ComponentModel;
4 using System.Data;
5 using System.Drawing;
6 using System.Linq
---------------
on matcher compilationUnit.is(and(opt(one2n(externAliasDirective)), opt(one2n(us
ingDirective)), opt(globalAttributes), opt(one2n(namespaceMemberDeclaration)), E
OF))
1 : 0 : EXTERN expected but "´" [IDENTIFIER] found
at externAliasDirective
1 : 0 :
at compilationUnit
1 : 0 :
I created a simple winForms application and wanted analyse it with sonar-runner.
What's wrong with my project ? As i guess it comes from it.
I found the error.
It came from the encoding source.
Thanks anyway.
Had a problem with fxcop , error code 513,
found a suggested solution here:
http://sonar.15.x6.nabble.com/FxCop-execution-failed-FxCop-execution-failed-with-return-code-513-td3197705.html
need to add a plugin to the sonar server pom.xml file. but that didn't help... any suggestions? thanks
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